Breakdowns When and Where ? wut r Your Techiniques ?
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    16 Dec 2010 05:31 PM

    so im getting rilly into my  production and i wanna take it to another level  i think i make pretty good beats  but they dont have enough  excitement to em 


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    where do u put ur break down patterns ? what are some techiniques for break downs ?

    also automating beats from reg tempo to dbl time ?>

    and how do u add variation to ur beat so it aint boring ?

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    16 Dec 2010 10:18 PM
    I am also curious about this. I almost feel as though a lot of it is preference. For instance, if you listen to Dr. Dre's beats, a lot of his drums don't break often but are usually complimented with an OCCASIONAL bongo or toms or something. Then you have the South beats and Midwest and such, they are somewhat known for their drum breakdown.

    I think it is important to do breaks and fills for certain aspects, like before a hook or some type of transition is probably most preferred. I'm fairly new at beat making but I don't typically feel the need to change up drums too much.
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    19 Dec 2010 12:10 AM
    i think it just depend on what type of track you trying to making. i usually start doing mines lately on the 2nd verse of the track before the 2nd hook.
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    19 Dec 2010 07:38 PM
    here's the layout for the prototype pop song... intro-chorus-verse-chorus-breakdown-chorus-outro

    but you can do whatever really... gotta love music for that
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    20 Dec 2010 11:48 AM
    I find most pop songs are intro verse chorus verse chorus bridge(usually intro again or solo) chorus.

    Fills and transitions in live music are at any of the transition points.
    A simple trick is to add crashes in or out of beats as transitions or to layer another bongo or percusiion beat over your beat,or to just drop your beat out of the mix and have a musical break somewhere kinda turns it around for me sometimes.Also an extra snare hit or two or a roll works nice as a simple fill you can layer over a specific part.

    I personally am on a new kick of using more percusive instrumentation,like bass plucks and acostic chords in place of kick and snare so when i add them theres a real dynamic difference.

    to be more articulate my bass kick and lines are the same and my lead lines go off my snare,cuz thats how i learned so since they are so interchangeable it works for me.

    kepping things interesting musically is easy when i showcase each part individually also.Like lets say my intro is my bass,and my verse showcases my riff,my chorus is my lead or hook then 2nd verse i wanna show a varition of my bass,or drums,then you get my hook again and for my bridge i really want you to see just my drums or just my riff whatevers my driving force ya dig?
    Or ill throw a keychange and a turnaround and expose my songs throughline(the one sentence my songs about summed up ya know?) theres alot of approaches.

    Experiment and be bold,noone got anywhere sounding like everyone else,it just made it harder for originaters to get heard in my opinion.
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    31 Dec 2010 06:58 AM
    i usually do a bridge after the 2nd verse...or sometimes ill throw a lil break/bridge after the first verse..some may say that can make a beat to long,but thats ones own opinion...the way ive broken down drums before is to use the arp...
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    11 Jan 2011 08:10 PM
    fills/ drops(snare/ hihat, kick change 4 transition) every 4 bars (4, 8, 12, 16) .. after a chorus drop the snares for the first 2 bars, leave the rest of the drums...chorus after a bridge drop the drums for 4 bars .. that adds dynamic...also layering claps in one section / adding percussion to the drum pattern adds dynamic
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    14 Jan 2011 11:32 AM
    I'm sucking up all this knowledge.. it sux being new .. to something , ha
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    17 Jan 2011 09:41 AM
    well for transitions its good to reverse the crash or cymbal....so you get that sound that will hint that something big is goin to happen LOL...you can add tom or snare rolls...or you can put the reverse cymbal and clap with alot of reeverb and after the clap hits just mute everything and then drop to the hook...or you can start a snare roll and finish it with that reeverb clap and mute everything...or you could just drop everything out, just experiment and listen to the music...note:when doing snare rolls its good to pan them from left to right or vice versa
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    17 Jan 2011 10:15 AM
    please don't overdo the left right panning of snare rolls, use it sparingly, thank you!
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    17 Jan 2011 01:09 PM
    i think with panning fills consider how they sound in a live set..like tom rolls go left to right or right to left instead of not moving
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    18 Jan 2011 03:26 PM
    I'll generally put down the basic beat, then after the vocals are put down, go bac and adjust accordingly...dropping the beat at key lines, inserting samples...
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    19 Jan 2011 04:45 AM
    Hello everybody!
    Mine techniques for breakdowns are very simple....i'll do the break for melody and drums every three loops of my main lead...you know just simplyfize rhytm and edit melody for it...just for one bar, you can also break in a midlle of your melody. Okay third time this happen mine drums will go of for one or two loops of main melody and then.....chorus...just experiment and you will sure find something good.
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    19 Jan 2011 11:19 AM
    I like to break the song down right before and after the chorus. It helps to add depth to the track by contrast.

    Now what I really prefer to do is to have an artist record his vocals and then wrap the breakdowns around the lyrics. When the lyrics and instruments mesh, everything gets taken up a notch.
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    21 Jan 2011 05:17 PM
    yep...post production....its a beast. lol

    but it just depends...with breakdowns, transitions, bridges, and so forth...u've stepped away from just making the beat, now you are structuring the song.
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    22 Jan 2011 07:44 AM
    I'm not sure what everyone's background is when it comes to music you have worked with in the past or music you listen to outside of hip-hop, but I come from a rock n' roll background. So when I am working on drum breakdowns or fills, I sometimes try to think of how a rock drummer might go from a verse into a chorus, or vice versa. Sometimes it doesn't work throwing a really long elaborate snare --> toms drum fill, but sometimes it can.

    So when I say think of rock n' roll fills, it is usually (at the very least) a change up between the kick drum and snare. Maybe it is something that alternates between fast 16th note snare and splash cymbals (fast decay, choke sound). It is kind of hard to put into words, so for inspiration just youtube great rock drummers like John Bonham, Keith Moon or Neil Peart.

    Also, panning can be a great effect, but remember it is only really evident when someone is wearing headphones. And when you do use it, it is probably best to use it tastefully, you don't want this glaring gap between notes or it kinda sounds unnatural.

    Lastly, and this kinda comes to personal taste, but I like to try chopping up snare rolls to the point where they sound glithcy and then I mess around with dropping or raising the pitch. It really depends on the sound of the song if it will fit, but can add a cool effect that helps transition things.
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    22 Jan 2011 08:30 PM

    Well when you look at professional songs from any era you can usually find a breakdowns , hat rolls, snare rolls etc at very distinct positions in the song. For a beat that has a four bar into there is usually some sort of snare roll at the end of the first four bars of the song, this is especially true in many T.I. beats, Dr. Dre not so much because his beats are simpler in manner but still very catchy, in place Dre usually has some sort of background melody to compensate for this, some instrument like a piano or some type of bell.  The same is also true for Timbaland and the Neptunes, the neptunes usually have some exotic percussions where as Timbaland has a mixture of exotic percussions and synths.

    As to where to put them, as i said before for an intro of four bars put a snare roll,, hi hat roll, automation effect etc at the end of the first four bars of the song to transition into the chorus or the first verse of the song, If the intro is eight bars put a simple one at the end of the first four and a more complex one (or the same might not matter much) at the end of the first 8, If its 10 the same applies except the technique goes at the end of the first 8 then 2 bars after that.

     Other places - after the chorus techniques may be placed at the next 4 or 8 or 16  bars( gonna depend on the type of song) leading up to the chorus again. Other than that the next technique may be implemented at the beginning and the end of the bridge("section after the second verse that usually switches up notes, or drums to make the song more interesting). This will lead to the last chorus at the end of which you may wanna put another technique.

    Hope This Helped

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    24 Jan 2011 07:40 PM
    damn im loving everyones feedback on this thread..some of the stuff mentioned ive tried as well..i damn near forgot about this thread...shame on me

    structuring the song can be fun..even after the vocals are laid you can layer around or take away..its all up to the imagination!!
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    24 Mar 2011 11:50 AM
    You shouldn't just copy everyone else's production. But use it as a learning thing. You can learn so much and get good ideas from really sitting down listening to tracks produced by everyone from J.U.S.T.I.C.E League or Drumma Boy to 9th Wonder. As mentioned earlier i the thread there is no rules in music composing, and if you can manage to find your own style, and sound, with your own tricks. Well that's what it's all about. Making use of what other people do, and generate your own sound from the different impressions. Still a break, with a snare roll, some extra claps, some kind of rising sound, muting of drum track or instrument track or both might be a good idea at the end of each 4 bars or 2 bars on the hook, but as mentioned, these are things you have to figure out for yourself. Many different things might sound dope on different beats. Good luck!
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    28 Mar 2011 06:38 PM
    This is one of my biggest weaknesses in production along with making melodies that aren't repetitive.
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