Seperation/Merged?
Last Post 24 Nov 2012 02:57 AM by Seasonz Beatz. 12 Replies.
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NickAcrobat

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    18 Apr 2012 07:43 AM

    What does the knob on the mixer that controls seperation/merging do?

    Like what is stereo seperation?

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    Maxisback

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    18 Apr 2012 12:54 PM
    Experiment with it through heapdhones.
    Basically, when there is no separation, the sound is "centered".
    When fully separated, the sound covers both the left and right.

    This does not work for all sounds if they were mono before, so only stereo sounds can do this.
    I think.
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    18 Apr 2012 12:54 PM
    Experiment with it through headphones.
    Basically, when there is no separation, the sound is "centered".
    When fully separated, the sound covers both the left and right.

    This does not work for all sounds if they were mono before, so only stereo sounds can do this.
    I think.
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    19 Apr 2012 08:22 AM
    Isn't that what panning is?
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    19 Apr 2012 12:13 PM
    Separation controls the width of the sound. Use a vectorscope to see what it does. Vector scopes show a visual representation of the space taken up by sound between the left and right speakers by measuring the difference in L&R signals. Just because a sound has 0 separation doesn't mean you can't pan it. The sound doesn't become centered, you just take away any differences between left and right signals.

    So, here's a picture of a centered snare with some reverb when we have 0 separation. (The separation knob in FL Mixer is100% merged)

    it looks like a straight line because the left and right signals are equal. This is as skinny as a sound can be. We can still pan however. When the merged snare is panned, it looks like this:

    Still a skinny line, but of to the right. This here is hard right panning. If you were to move it from hard right to hard left you'd see the line twist until it was angled the opposite way.

    Now, we go from having a 100% merged sound, to the original. (Stereo separation nob at its default position)

    Now we see some width. The squiggly lines represent sound reflections created by reverb. Remember, reverb is really a bunch of delays that simulate a sound reflecting of walls/an enclosed space.

    If we turn our separation nob to 100% separated, it takes away similarities between left and right signals giving a wider sound. Here's our snare with 100% separation.

    notice how it's wider...

    WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?
    When creating a mix you need to make the listener aware of the whole stereo field, basically the space from left to right. At the same time you need to carve out specific places for each instrument so everything sounds clear. Being aware of how much space each instrument takes up allows you to do that with greater ease. If you have a lot of instruments, consider making them skinnier, and panned apart so they all fit. If you don't have that many melodies/drums or whatever then you need to make things more wider so you can fill up your whole stage with sound.

    This is just a small introduction to the subject. Delay effects (reverb, delay, phasing, flanging, chorus) all affect the stereo field and width of your instruments and your mix. Google them, learn what they are as overdoing stereo spread can/will cause interpolation problems where a left/right signal cancel each other out when your track gets played back on a mono system.
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    20 Apr 2012 07:34 AM
    The stereo field represents the fact that when we hear sounds, the sounds don't travel to both of our ears at the same time. There is a delay between when one ear will hear it and the other picks it up (because for most of us, our ears are on opposite sides of our head! lol)....voila! STEREO!!! When you listen to beats on warbeats with properly set up monitors, you will hear this effect...especially if it's exagerrated by someone panning too much (me!) It's also why it's not the best idea to mix with headphones. Without headphones, when we hear something, a little bit of the sound from the left channel is heard, not only on the left, but also on the right. This gives whatever we hear a sense of depth. On headphones (without gear to simulate the effect), all you hear in the left channel is the left side of the stereo field. You don't get that little bit of bleed over sound from the right channel in that ear. So if you don't check your mixes on monitors, you might miss that a bit. Also, (at times) in concert settings you'll wanna play your stuff monophonically, because separating the signal in that enviroment just doesn't make sense sometimes. It's a good idea to check and see how your tracks sound in mono (note, it won't usually be as good) for purposes such as that.
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    20 Apr 2012 05:36 PM
    Is there a vectro scope vst??? really would love dat 1
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    21 Apr 2012 06:56 AM
    @swizzle, you already have it in wave-candy. (I'm assuming you have FL Studio)
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    21 Apr 2012 07:35 AM
    That definately cleared things up for me. However I have problem. The only speakers I have are the ones on my laptop themsleves, so I always make beats, and mix them in a pair of skullcandy ear buds.

    Is there anyway I can use these headphones to hear the difference when I use stereo seperation? Also do I put stereo seperation on the master track, indivdual tracks, or both?
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    21 Apr 2012 08:25 AM
    There's a VST solution called "Headphone Mix", that supposedly compensates for problems with depth on headphones. I, personally, haven't used it, but from the advertisements it sounds really interesting. Maybe someone on here has tried it, I'd like to know myself. Then there's the "Phonitor" which costs about 2g's! lol And I haven't tried that one either, but lots of reputable sources say its dope.

    Depending on what your looking to do you can do the master track or the individual tracks. To check ya beat in mono, use the master track though.
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    26 Apr 2012 11:13 PM
    you should be able to hear it, but i guess that depends on your laptop. usually lap top speakers are typically in mono, but usually the headphones turn to stereo.
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    23 Nov 2012 10:33 PM

    Thank you so much that really helps!

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    24 Nov 2012 02:57 AM
    QuickSkimper, great info man
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