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21 Nov 2011 01:24 AM |
Anyone know how to do this in FL? I'm getting literally nothing from google. |
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25 Nov 2011 06:52 PM |
What do you mean by Mono L/R? Mono= 1 channel. (The same sounds come out of both the Left and Right speakers). Stereo= 2 channels. (Different sounds come from the Left and Right speakers). So saying "Mono L/R" is like saying "Mono Stereo" which are two different things. It sounds like you want Stereo. And by default, when you export out of FLS it should be in Stereo. |
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25 Nov 2011 09:21 PM |
Use the stereoshaper presets "LR to LL" and "LR to RR" that is if I understand what you're wanting to do. |
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25 Nov 2011 09:21 PM |
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26 Nov 2011 05:23 PM |
@ryno: Maybe I didn't specify enough, but it's a pretty common practice to track out each channel like this. It's basically two mono recording of the same channel panned to each side (at different levels) to give you more control over the mix. So you're right in a sense, if just one was played it would be mono, but when you pan them out they create the stereo image. It's sort of a homemade stereo enhancer plugin, and this way I can tweak the phase of each to expand the stereo image beyond the speakers (or give the perception of it). Google some mixing/mastering books by Bob Katz and others to see what I'm talking about.
@IV: thank you, unfortunately I think I'm just going to have to manually mono each channel and track them out the hard way since FL doesn't seem to have a dedicated way to do this. |
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27 Nov 2011 02:50 PM |
How would that create a stereo image if you have two of the same channels coming out of two speakers? There would be no difference between your left and right speaker. I guess you could add effects or adjust the volume of one of those channels, but why would you want effects or different volume on only one side of your track? Maybe I'm still not understanding correctly? |
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28 Nov 2011 02:44 PM |
I'll start with this. Don't take this as me trying to undermine you, I don't know how much experience you have and I always try to respect people questioning things (that's how you learn).
"How would that create a stereo image if you have two of the same channels coming out of two speakers"
- I don't know the exact reason as to why it does this, but when I have worked with mixtape projects that are sent with L/R tracks it doesn't seem to have any phase cancellation at all (with the exception of the basses). And there is a difference between the left and right speaker, you can tell the separation. Shoot me your email and I'll send you a project file like this so you can test it out for yourself.
"but why would you want effects or different volume on only one side of your track"
-As far as effects I have no idea, I just want to try something new. And different volume in each speaker is essentially what panning is. When you pan left, the left speaker is playing the sound louder than the right and vice versa.
If you've used the fruity stereo enhancer before, what it does is plays the sound at different times out of the left or right speaker (along with tweaking the phase of one or the other).
Basically I want to experiment with this to see if it makes a different in my mixes. |
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28 Nov 2011 04:20 PM |
ya'll know there is a mono knob on the master channel right? |
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28 Nov 2011 04:21 PM |
another question. do you have protools? |
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28 Nov 2011 04:42 PM |
Yeah I do, but I've just ended up using Audacity to split the files.
And no Pro Tools yet, I'm still hesitant to start learning another DAW after so many years in FL. Really should get on that soon. |
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28 Nov 2011 05:13 PM |
i think i see what ryno is saying. he is asking why would you want to export a mono stereo file (where the left and right channels are the same, no matter what type of panning you did during mixing) and then do something to one side and not the other. i'm thinking that you may want to possibly export a mono left track and a mono right track (which pro tools is capable of exporting). making every channel mono before exporting it though is not going to achieve that i don't believe. |
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28 Nov 2011 05:19 PM |
Yep,
I never said anything about a mono stereo file (which wouldn't even make sense). He either didn't understand or misinterpreted my question.
I was simply looking to see if FL had that option because I knew Pro Tools did.
But I found out that audacity can split the stereo files for me, I just wish it was a native option within FL instead of having to take this extra step. Maybe I'll email image line about this. |
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28 Nov 2011 07:51 PM |
I get it now, lol I was following this question for a while now before I could understand what the question was. You want to split the channels right? Well, there is no way to do this in FL but perhaps it could be done with FL's Stereoshaper plugin on the Master channel, by muting the channel you don't want.
If I wanted to do something like that though, I'd just use Wavosaur because it can do this much quicker. Plus, if you load up an audio file with more than 2 channels (surround sound) you can edit all the channels separately. |
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28 Nov 2011 07:57 PM |
Also, you can use the Barricade Pro plugin (you SHOULD have it if you don't already) to edit Mid/Side signals, if you need to balance out the volume of the channels in a way normal mixing can't... |
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28 Nov 2011 09:40 PM |
well, the reason i say "mono stereo" is because basically, if you think about it, each side is a mono channel. you may have different things on each side, however once you bounce it down to a 2 track, you have a mono wave file for the left channel...and a mono wave file for the right channel. pro tools just separates them. at least thats how i kinda look at it. |
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29 Nov 2011 04:30 PM |
but when I have worked with mixtape projects that are sent with L/R tracks it doesn't seem to have any phase cancellation at all (with the exception of the basses).
Why WOULD there be phase cancellation when the L/R tracks (if both exported as mono) would be exactly the same?
And different volume in each speaker is essentially what panning is. When you pan left, the left speaker is playing the sound louder than the right and vice versa.
I appreciate your respectful approach, and I hope I don't sound arrogant, but I know what panning is lol. But if you pan your tracks, then export them as mono tracks, then esentially you've lost your panning because there is no longer a difference between left and right speakers. (basically what Pompey just stated ^) |
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29 Nov 2011 04:35 PM |
Real quick before you write a response, let me see if I get what your talking about. Are you saying that the Left Mono Track panned hard left and the Right Mono Track panned hard right will create a different sound than those same tracks in Stereo? |
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30 Nov 2011 07:50 AM |
Yes, I'm saying it will sound different and you can treat it differently. |
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30 Nov 2011 09:52 AM |
I guess it would sound different than stereo because you wouldn't have any panning. Both speakers would be playing identical tracks as opposed to two different ones. I personally don't see any advantages to that, but that's not to say that there aren't any. Just a different way to do things I guess. But what about that whole phase cancellation? Why would there be phase cancellation with a stereo track, but not with the same track exported as "mono L/R"? |
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30 Nov 2011 04:00 PM |
There could be, but that's why there are options like the "invert phase" knob or other adjustments available.
Like I mentioned earlier, this mastering book I have been reading talked about various ways to expand your stereo image beyond the speakers and this is a step in doing that.
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